for example, most of our greatest presidents, jefferson, lincoln, wilson, both roosevelts had doubts about the constitution and many of them disobeyed it when it got in their way. >> sean: now, constitutional disobedience is a pre-requisite for being one of our greatest presidents, then barack obama on mt. rushmore. >> to be clear, i don't think we should give up on everything in the constitution. the constitution has many important and inspiring professions, but we should obey these because they're important and inspiring not because a bunch of people long dead favored them two centuries ago. >> in other words, we should pick and choose what provisions of the constitution we should follow. by the way, who gets a choose and we should just ignore the ones that get in the way, you know, like the whole rule requiring that the president of the united states has to be born in america. >> unfortunately, the constitution also contains some provisions that are not so inspiring. suppose that barack obama really wasn't a natural born citizen, so what? >> that's exactly how liberals view the co